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while not a stacked as the mens roster their women are good wrestlers, just need to be established a bit more, and Britt (with the exception of the first promo, has been doing great heel work.)
They can still push Bea, Jamie, Shanna, Kris and Yuka (depending on availability) before they need to go on a signing spree. Britt can be used better as a heel now if they're careful who they put her in the ring with.
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while not a stacked as the mens roster their women are good wrestlers, just need to be established a bit more, and Britt (with the exception of the first promo, has been doing great heel work.)
I strongly disagree. Nyla vs Riho this past week was the first good match AEW’s women’s division has had. They’re all sloppy and green as hell.

Britt Baker is the literal worst. She’s a terrible worker and her promos make me want to stick a screwdriver in my ear. The only reason people give a crap about her is because she’s Adam Cole’s lady.
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while not a stacked as the mens roster their women are good wrestlers, just need to be established a bit more, and Britt (with the exception of the first promo, has been doing great heel work.)
I also disagree. They have some promising wrestlers who could be good in the future, but they're just working with each other, and very few combinations are working. Rose & Riho had a really good match. I remember Statlander having one I liked against either Shida or Bea. Everything else has been sloppy and poor. And it's a case of experience. Every other division has 10+ year veterans in it, at an adult level, at a high level, and it shows. The more experienced girls are from Japan, and I don't know if there's a language barrier, or if Joshi matches don't have striking, but they're not leading things in the way I'm sure it looked like they would on paper.

Yes, getting them over would help. The crowd this week really elevated all of the matches because they vocally cared about the characters.
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Not running house shows doesn't help with chemistry. A 2 hour B show will help with that over time. Also while AEW let talent do their own thing between shows they should be more active in arranging work for those who need it most. The greener/underutlized talent should be sent to other companies AEW are on good terms with like GCW, Beyond, DDT, Tokyo Joshi, Stardom and House of Glory for mini-tours. Even NXT send talent to Evolve for experience in addition to having a busy house show loop.
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Dark was really good.

- Shoko vs Riho was great. Shoko looked strong in defeat.
Just watched this show, and this was really fun. I'm assuming because they have a lot of experience working together and weren't afraid to lay things in when it mattered. Lovely 619 spot. Where have they been hiding Shoto? She looked great.
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Just watched this show, and this was really fun. I'm assuming because they have a lot of experience working together and weren't afraid to lay things in when it mattered. Lovely 619 spot. Where have they been hiding Shoto? She looked great.
Shoko and Yuka are from TJPW (Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling) and are former and current Champion in that company respectively. Shoko also did a short tour in Mexico recently, so their availability isn't the best. Riho used to freelance in TJPW occasionally and is a good stylistic match for Shoko and Yuka. Bea and Jamie (Stardom) are also in the same boat in that their commitments in Japan keep them from appearing too often. Riho is also with Stardom but splits her time about 60-40 in favor of AEW.
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I'm finding it hard to get behind AEW's top babyfaces besides Cody, who's still doing great.

I've never found Moxley's AEW character to be very likeable to begin with, but recent development really made it worse for me. Moxley turning down Inner Circle's recruitment offer was expected, and there's nothing wrong with that itself, but the segment dragged way too long and overstayed its welcome for me. And after he decided to steal the car I couldn't summon any sympathy for him for getting the beatdown from Inner Circle.

Then the Inner Circle took out his eye, which I thought was a great heel move, and I thought maybe, just maybe, I can finally root for the wronged babyface against the dastardly heels....except they went and undo all that work by having Moxley sink down to their level the following week. Okay, this isn't the first time a face gets pushed over the edge and starts doing questionable deeds to fight against the odds, but their reactions after that don't help establish him as the guy who deserves more sympathy. Moxley cut some generic promo rambling about abstract honour while Santana actually gave a good emotional interview giving us some nice relatable backstory about his blind dad. Santana did MUCH better at gaining my sympathy and I found myself rooting for him and wanting him to kick Moxley's ass in last week's main event.

Moxley supposedly wanted out of WWE because he wanted the creative freedom they refused to give him. As far as I can see, he's not making very good use of that freedom. I can't believe I'd say this, but the Dean Ambrose who was trying to avenged a shattered potted plant was a more likeable face than Moxley (not that it says very much).

And then there's the one other main event-level babyface they have, Kenny Omega.....the tag team story with Page is fine, but that feud with PAC is making Kenny look like a condescending prick for blatantly not even acknowledging PAC's challenge. PAC wasn't even making some ridiculous demand like MJF. Him wanting a rubber match with Omega was a perfectly reasonable request, and for WEEKS Kenny refused to respond to that. What kind of babyface would constantly duck a request for rematch? He wasn't even asked to put anything on the line like Cody did. If he was just waiting for Tony Khan to approve the match, he could easily have said so, considering he was on TV every week. It's really grating to watch the "bastard" heel constantly challenging a face that keeps ducking him.

And PAC was right: obviously, Nakazawa meant nothing to Omega. If this ends with Nakazawa turning on Omega and costing him the rubber match it'd make perfect sense. And he'd absolutely deserve it.
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Unread 02-17-2020, 07:06 AM
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Mox isn't meant to be a traditional heel. He's an anti-hero. I guess you could compare him to Punk in that regard - he kind of acts like a heel but is meant to be supported.

I do agree that AEW seems to be a bit short on top-card faces though, as Kenny doesn't feel like a big deal right now - and Cody/MJF, while entertaining, doesn't really feel as big as I feel it should.
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Mox isn't meant to be a traditional heel. He's an anti-hero. I guess you could compare him to Punk in that regard - he kind of acts like a heel but is meant to be supported.
Actually, the comparison that comes to my mind is that Moxley feels like a more organic Stone Cold. With Austin, I may believe in him now and may be able to make connections to pre-WWE events that would have informed Stone Cold's mindset back then. But that the time, he felt so over the top and so rebellious for rebellion's sake, I wasn't inclined to make the effort. Stone Cold didn't feel real to me. He felt like some guy playing a character trying too hard to make me believe.

With Moxley, I've never had that. But then, unlike Austin, Moxley's behavior has never felt out of the blue for me. AEW may be the first time I'm seeing him in the moment but it's not the first time I've seen him with this kind of persona. Friends who were much more into the indy scene used to link me to his promos on YouTube and gush about him back in the pre-Ambrose days. So he feels real and consistent because I can harken back to those unstable homeless guy bits and see how they connect to today. Moxley being the character he is makes sense. Austin in his prime never did.
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Tonight's Dynamite was for sure the best episode of any wrestling TV show I've seen in... I don't even know how long. I haven't been that enthralled by wrestling since I was a kid.
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Yesterday’s show, to quote Jimmy King, ruled ass. Tag battle royal to start the show highlights the depth of the tag division. Was that CIMA I saw? Luchasaurus is way over and he can really work, at least in the multi-man matches. That super kick Guevara took was insane. Called Omega-Page vs. Bucks, that’ll be worth $15 of the PPV cost at least.

Women’s division is rounding in to shape, at least not dragging the show down anymore. Nyla Rose cut a pretty good heel promo dancing around the reasons for her power advantage in a way that tweaks people against that. Britt Baker is getting better material and having JR and Schiavone to support almost makes up for her delivery, which is pretty hit and miss. Statlander and Swole could have some physical matches with Nyla.

I’m expecting the Mox-Jericho feud to get the most gas on the go home show next week, it feels like there’s been less Jericho on the last couple shows and that shouldn’t happen.

Tag title match f’in ruled, it looked like people in the arena bought the false finish after the Pentagon Driver as hard as I did. Page does the firey eyed ass whipper gimmick about as well as anyone I’ve seen since Stone Cold himself and Omega is just ridiculously good in the ring. Lucha Bros would be my pick for the next champs when the inevitable meltdown occurs with Omega/Page.

Cody/MJF has definitely continued to be a great feud, the whipping segment showed again what a great heel MJF is and I loved him trying to convince Arn to slam the cage on Cody. And Cody got to show what a nut he is by blading and doing a 15 foot no look moonsault, but the crowd was into it.

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Dark:

- Diamante vs Statlander was solid. Kris stole Jamie's wet willy move. That's a good excuse to book a match between them.
- Hybrid 2 vs Best Friends was good. Attacking OC equals instant heat.
- Jaynes vs Swole was solid. Jaynes is worth signing permanently.
- QT & Avalon vs Young Bucks was fun.


Dynamite:

- Tag Team Battle Royale was good. Despite the ring being packed they pulled off some fun spots and storyline angles. Butcher got a big rub. Everyone's attakcing OC for the heat now LOL. I thought PnP would win.
- Shanna vs Statlander was good. Enjoyed Nyla's promo. Kris would make a strong first defense for Nyla but I guess they could throw Swole in there to take the pin. Shida should be the endgame for Nyla's title run.
- Mox vs Cobb was good. Based on the post-match angle and the Battle Royale we should get Darby vs Sammy and & PnP vs Jurassic Express at Revolution.
- Lucha Bros vs Page & Omega (c) was PPV quality and would have main evented any other show. So many crazy sequences and near-falls.
- Wardlow vs Cody was good (because of the spectacle more than the actual wrestling) although it was a bit short. Not a fan of the small chain link style but they made the cage look brutal enough. Smart use of MJF, Arn and Brandi. I thought we might get the moonsault but it still caught me by surprise and it was amazing.

Cody's unaired post-match promo to the crowd: https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/stat...44011849904130

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while not a stacked as the mens roster their women are good wrestlers, just need to be established a bit more, and Britt (with the exception of the first promo, has been doing great heel work.)
I can agree to a point but that's about it. While it does feel like some of the criticism of the women's division is over the top, it does seem odd that the nation's #2 women's division is so very young. If AEW were at the level of pre-Reverie USPW to use the C-Verse or original recipe ECW in its prime then okay. They'd be at the double maybe triple A level but still be seasoning before hitting the bigs. Being on as primary a cable channel as TNT makes AEW feel like they are "the bigs" despite being quite a young company. So I can see the argument that Japanese members aside, AEW may not necessarily have the best of the best where the women are concerned. Still there are far worse divisions out there.

OVW springs immediately to mind. But then someplace like OVW isn't necessarily meant to be a panacea of wrestling. It's Baby's First Promotion in many cases so less of a talent level is expected and more inexperience can be forgiven. Where AEW management is Elite and there are expectations that come with that. Do I find the descriptions of how subpar some of the AEW are excessive? Indeed. The overinflation of Britt Baker's flaws in paticular feel ssilly. To hear some tell it, you'd think Baker was Cali Young during her first OVW's Women's title reign or Valerie Vermin awful. Britt may have room for improvement but she'd still wrestle rings around such women. I will agree that a talent of Britt's caliber probably shouldn't be the face of the division. But given she was the first non-family member to join the division, I also see why she is and look forward to someone else attaining the stature to take that status from her.
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I really think they should stay far, far away from any kind of suggestions that Nyla's dominant because she's trans.

It enables the bigots who want to call her a man and gives them ammunition. There's no good way to bring it up when she's a heel, because any heat she generates for it is going to cleave way too close to transphobia.

The reaction to her winning has been gross. Fuel to that fire is not needed.
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I can agree to a point but that's about it. While it does feel like some of the criticism of the women's division is over the top, it does seem odd that the nation's #2 women's division is so very young. If AEW were at the level of pre-Reverie USPW to use the C-Verse or original recipe ECW in its prime then okay. They'd be at the double maybe triple A level but still be seasoning before hitting the bigs. Being on as primary a cable channel as TNT makes AEW feel like they are "the bigs" despite being quite a young company. So I can see the argument that Japanese members aside, AEW may not necessarily have the best of the best where the women are concerned. Still there are far worse divisions out there.

OVW springs immediately to mind. But then someplace like OVW isn't necessarily meant to be a panacea of wrestling. It's Baby's First Promotion in many cases so less of a talent level is expected and more inexperience can be forgiven. Where AEW management is Elite and there are expectations that come with that. Do I find the descriptions of how subpar some of the AEW are excessive? Indeed. The overinflation of Britt Baker's flaws in paticular feel ssilly. To hear some tell it, you'd think Baker was Cali Young during her first OVW's Women's title reign or Valerie Vermin awful. Britt may have room for improvement but she'd still wrestle rings around such women. I will agree that a talent of Britt's caliber probably shouldn't be the face of the division. But given she was the first non-family member to join the division, I also see why she is and look forward to someone else attaining the stature to take that status from her.
The problem is WWE alone has 4 women's rosters, IMPACT has one that's established, as does EVE in the UK. Japan has dozens of companies stock full of quality talent.

Kenny was always going to bring in Joshi talent but it turned into a necessity. I think if you look at the recent Dark matches with Diamante, Cassandra Golden and Christi Jaynes you can see AEW are putting in the scouting effort to round out the division. I don't think we'll see any major talent signings for some time unless someone with a big reputation from one of the aforementioned companies becomes available.
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